1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,930 [Music] 2 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:41,100 welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world 3 00:00:38,309 --> 00:00:43,649 with me George Galloway and me gayathri 4 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:46,320 the transatlantic slave trade was 5 00:00:43,649 --> 00:00:48,870 arguably the greatest crime in human 6 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,149 history in it the rich and powerful 7 00:00:48,870 --> 00:00:53,550 having invaded and occupied the 8 00:00:51,149 --> 00:00:56,159 countries of Africa and carried off 9 00:00:53,550 --> 00:00:59,180 everything they could carry turn their 10 00:00:56,159 --> 00:01:01,649 attention to every one they could carry 11 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:03,929 check off into the halls of leaking 12 00:01:01,649 --> 00:01:06,780 various vessels increasingly British 13 00:01:03,929 --> 00:01:09,030 ships men women and children stolen from 14 00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:11,700 Africa were sealed across the seas as 15 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:13,890 slaves anyone who has visited the 16 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:15,929 slavery Museum in Liverpool will have 17 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:18,840 come away from it in something like a 18 00:01:15,929 --> 00:01:21,030 state of a shock no reparation for this 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,670 crime committed against a continent and 20 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:26,429 against tens of millions of people has 21 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:29,039 ever been made in fact it was the slave 22 00:01:26,429 --> 00:01:31,679 owners who were compensated when the 23 00:01:29,039 --> 00:01:33,990 trade was abolished the descendants of 24 00:01:31,679 --> 00:01:36,720 the slaves are now plentiful and among 25 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:38,750 us in every former slaver country some 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,759 of them cry out for justice and 27 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:45,390 organized to win it one of those is 28 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:47,850 Esther Stanford cose spokesperson of the 29 00:01:45,390 --> 00:01:50,640 African Emancipation Day and the 30 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:55,020 reparations march committee estar 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:58,649 welcome back on the sputnik the March is 32 00:01:55,020 --> 00:02:02,189 on Tuesday 9:00 a.m. from windra square 33 00:01:58,649 --> 00:02:06,990 in Brixton I can't be there this year 34 00:02:02,189 --> 00:02:09,769 but of course my heart will be and but 35 00:02:06,990 --> 00:02:13,769 let's start with this depressing fact 36 00:02:09,769 --> 00:02:16,980 every time we raise this on television 37 00:02:13,769 --> 00:02:23,940 or when I raise on my radio show there 38 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:27,060 is a storm of hatred aggression and 39 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:30,060 denial actually from white people of 40 00:02:27,060 --> 00:02:32,790 course by in surprisingly large numbers 41 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:33,959 now if that shocks me it probably 42 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:36,359 doesn't shock you 43 00:02:33,959 --> 00:02:38,519 no it doesn't and this is part of the 44 00:02:36,359 --> 00:02:41,250 problem there is what we call my anger 45 00:02:38,519 --> 00:02:42,090 my easy to mock denial and manganese II 46 00:02:41,250 --> 00:02:45,120 is a 47 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:48,510 kiswahili term but we use to describe 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,550 the transatlantic trafficking or 49 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:53,069 enslavement of African people but a 50 00:02:50,550 --> 00:02:56,250 continuum from chattel enslavement 51 00:02:53,069 --> 00:02:59,030 through colonialism to modern-day neo 52 00:02:56,250 --> 00:03:01,650 colonialism so we do not use the term 53 00:02:59,030 --> 00:03:03,660 transatlantic slave trade because that 54 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:05,519 term implies that this was just a 55 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:08,640 commercial venture gone wrong and 56 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:11,069 actually minimizes the massive genocide 57 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:14,310 that happened to African people and 58 00:03:11,069 --> 00:03:16,739 still continues to happen well come on 59 00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:19,940 to that I don't want to minimize that in 60 00:03:16,739 --> 00:03:23,160 any way and I take your point entirely 61 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:28,110 but if one did look at the transatlantic 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:31,890 slave trade it is actually a mark of 63 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:33,780 such shame that you are ought to be that 64 00:03:31,890 --> 00:03:37,890 you would think no one would come out of 65 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:42,420 the rabbit hole to effectively deny it 66 00:03:37,890 --> 00:03:45,870 or deny any need for reparations for it 67 00:03:42,420 --> 00:03:49,470 that's right and that just shows how we 68 00:03:45,870 --> 00:03:51,989 are still not afforded in the eyes and I 69 00:03:49,470 --> 00:03:55,260 think the hearts and minds of many white 70 00:03:51,989 --> 00:03:57,750 people and other non African peoples are 71 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:59,970 full humanity there still isn't 72 00:03:57,750 --> 00:04:03,030 recognition that we are human beings who 73 00:03:59,970 --> 00:04:05,849 are entitled to justice who are entitled 74 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:09,569 to redress who are entitled to 75 00:04:05,849 --> 00:04:11,639 recognition of our cause and that is 76 00:04:09,569 --> 00:04:13,919 what we're really seeking to change with 77 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:16,590 this reparations movement we are seeking 78 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:18,720 to counter what we caught the Mangum 79 00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:21,359 easy denial in the same way that 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:24,599 Holocaust Jewish Holocaust denial is a 81 00:04:21,359 --> 00:04:27,300 crime in many countries but yet mangum 82 00:04:24,599 --> 00:04:29,370 easy denial happens every day and it 83 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:31,380 happens even by some of those who are 84 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:34,050 deemed to be the most enlightened in 85 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:37,229 society so this shows the kind of real 86 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:39,630 insidious nature of the a free phobic 87 00:04:37,229 --> 00:04:42,300 what we call white supremacist racism 88 00:04:39,630 --> 00:04:44,280 that we still continue to face even at 89 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:46,440 the hands of liberals and so-called 90 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,780 white leftists who should know that 91 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,240 there was the word even more obvious 92 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:54,630 never one was the word even more 93 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:57,180 inappropriate but that's another of 94 00:04:54,630 --> 00:04:59,550 other argument what are the demands then 95 00:04:57,180 --> 00:05:02,130 of the committee and the March okay so 96 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:05,130 the March partners with this stop the 97 00:05:02,130 --> 00:05:07,350 manganese II we charge genocide ecocide 98 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:10,530 campaign and what this campaign is 99 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:12,420 seeking to do is to call for the 100 00:05:10,530 --> 00:05:15,420 establishment of the all-party 101 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:18,090 parliamentary commission of inquiry for 102 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:20,940 truth and reparatory justice this is a 103 00:05:18,090 --> 00:05:24,270 commission that is connected to an 104 00:05:20,940 --> 00:05:26,460 attempt to bring together many victims 105 00:05:24,270 --> 00:05:28,220 of crimes against humanity at the hands 106 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:30,480 of European settler colonialism 107 00:05:28,220 --> 00:05:33,690 genocides and various forms of 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,120 dispossession into a true alternative a 109 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:37,980 true court to world court that we call 110 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,110 the people's international tribunal for 111 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:43,380 global justice so the two go together 112 00:05:40,110 --> 00:05:45,780 and what we are calling for is actually 113 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:48,750 let us have a dialogue with British 114 00:05:45,780 --> 00:05:51,480 state and civil society as to the 115 00:05:48,750 --> 00:05:53,700 manganese II what it is what it's causes 116 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,970 have been and what its contemporary 117 00:05:53,700 --> 00:06:00,270 consequences are for African heritage 118 00:05:56,970 --> 00:06:02,640 communities not only within the UK but 119 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:04,950 wherever we actually reside and we live 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,280 especially in the continent of Africa in 121 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:09,960 the Americas Oceania everywhere 122 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,480 basically where African people are so 123 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,200 those are the main demands it is about 124 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,730 recognizing the current day 125 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,520 manifestations of the manganese II and 126 00:06:17,730 --> 00:06:23,160 what we do on the marches we hand in the 127 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,590 stop the manganese II petition to 10 128 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:29,040 Downing Street and this petition 129 00:06:25,590 --> 00:06:30,870 actually details 12 manifestations of 130 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,600 the manganese II that are displayed on 131 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:35,460 this bright postcard here and it 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,190 includes things like death in police 133 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:40,110 prison and psychiatric custody the 134 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:42,570 statement aside in terms of what's 135 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:45,090 happening to our children racist 136 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:47,310 immigration patrols and policies the 137 00:06:45,090 --> 00:06:49,830 dismemberment of African communities are 138 00:06:47,310 --> 00:06:52,200 an end to austerity measures that have 139 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:54,870 been imposed upon our countries I mean 140 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,400 there are so many we're also you know 141 00:06:54,870 --> 00:07:00,960 raising within the context of the 142 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:03,919 manganese e-every phobic racism there 143 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:07,919 all these privatization of our resources 144 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:08,430 land grabs and extractive industries 145 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:11,250 that are 146 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:14,160 denying us actually the wealth and 147 00:07:11,250 --> 00:07:17,100 resources of Africa so recent reports 148 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:21,479 conducted by Mark Curtis of war on once 149 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:23,430 and also the Jubilee debt campaign and 150 00:07:21,479 --> 00:07:25,919 many other organizations very sat two 151 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:28,979 reports one talks about Britain's new 152 00:07:25,919 --> 00:07:31,139 colonialism and in terms of Britain's 153 00:07:28,979 --> 00:07:33,479 controlling in fact not Britain but a 154 00:07:31,139 --> 00:07:35,630 hundred and one stock companies 155 00:07:33,479 --> 00:07:38,580 registered on the London Stock Exchange 156 00:07:35,630 --> 00:07:42,090 controlling over 1 trillion dollars 157 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:45,229 worth of resources in Africa including 158 00:07:42,090 --> 00:07:49,169 in terms of five main resources gold oil 159 00:07:45,229 --> 00:07:52,110 platinum diamonds and and so forth and 160 00:07:49,169 --> 00:07:54,660 then the second report honest accounts 161 00:07:52,110 --> 00:07:57,870 really speaks about the fact that Africa 162 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:59,880 and African countries are elect creditor 163 00:07:57,870 --> 00:08:01,940 to the rest of the world at the tune of 164 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:05,760 a minimum these are very conservative 165 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:09,479 estimates 41 billion dollars a year and 166 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:12,060 this according to statistics for 2015 167 00:08:09,479 --> 00:08:15,000 for this notion that somehow Africans 168 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:17,910 have been astounded and oh we're getting 169 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,919 all this Aid is actually a myth and this 170 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:22,949 is research that has been conducted by 171 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:26,130 European people researchers scholars who 172 00:08:22,949 --> 00:08:29,010 have detailed how that extraction how 173 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:30,810 that mangum easy continues to happen and 174 00:08:29,010 --> 00:08:33,900 therefore what we're seeing is an 175 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:36,300 increase in migration to Europe people 176 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:39,510 literally dying crossing the 177 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:41,760 Mediterranean Sea because the conditions 178 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:44,070 within which they live in their home 179 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,250 countries in their motherland of Africa 180 00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:48,959 it becomes so old governor ball and so 181 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:51,810 difficult for people to live because 182 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:54,480 basically all of our resources literally 183 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:56,670 are being extracted not for the benefit 184 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,830 of African people but for the benefit of 185 00:08:56,670 --> 00:09:01,410 these rich multinational corporations 186 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:03,570 and let's just be very honest here the 187 00:09:01,410 --> 00:09:06,089 standards of living that many people in 188 00:09:03,570 --> 00:09:09,029 Europe want to protect comes at a price 189 00:09:06,089 --> 00:09:11,370 and this is part of the price but many 190 00:09:09,029 --> 00:09:14,610 African people and other indigenous 191 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:19,560 people are having to pay now you your 192 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:21,690 cases that slavery may have stopped but 193 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:25,760 colonialism then 194 00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:29,100 took its place and then the overtly 195 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:33,440 colonial period Africa continued to be 196 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:38,000 looted of its wealth and then when 197 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:41,760 so-called independence occurred that 198 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:45,630 colonialism didn't stop and it takes the 199 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:49,500 form now of of British and other Western 200 00:09:45,630 --> 00:09:52,500 capitalist countries still using the 201 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:56,490 financial and economic power to extract 202 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:59,970 wealth from Africa and now we have our 203 00:09:56,490 --> 00:10:03,300 return to actual physical colonialism 204 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:06,660 with u.s. armed forces forming this 205 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:10,950 African right undef' actively beginning 206 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:13,680 a new European yes a new example under 207 00:10:10,950 --> 00:10:15,030 national for Africa but it's not just 208 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,530 the United States government we also 209 00:10:15,030 --> 00:10:18,120 have to look at the complicity of 210 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:20,520 European governments and in particular 211 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,400 the British state which is why when we 212 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:26,460 march on the 1st of August we are 213 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:29,850 charging the British state with acts of 214 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:31,950 genocide and ecocide against African 215 00:10:29,850 --> 00:10:34,800 people both on the continent of Africa 216 00:10:31,950 --> 00:10:37,650 but also everywhere where African people 217 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,950 live today including in Europe and 218 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:43,350 specifically the UK I mentioned the 219 00:10:40,950 --> 00:10:45,870 slaving regime in Liverpool you know 220 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:47,820 when we visit you know release you leave 221 00:10:45,870 --> 00:10:49,860 so you leave the museum speeches maybe 222 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:52,020 you don't know what to say what to do is 223 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:53,610 that why do what are you how do you 224 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:56,610 regard such an effort is that accept 225 00:10:53,610 --> 00:11:00,930 what that recognition it it is an aspect 226 00:10:56,610 --> 00:11:03,780 of educating people about the history of 227 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:07,589 African people prior to enslavement but 228 00:11:03,780 --> 00:11:09,990 also the resistance that African people 229 00:11:07,589 --> 00:11:12,600 have engaged in to emancipate ourselves 230 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:15,560 and that's something very key because I 231 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,540 think in the psyche of many white people 232 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:21,839 we're still seen as these begging 233 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:24,270 pleading helpless Africans and actually 234 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:26,790 one of a right the what the reparations 235 00:11:24,270 --> 00:11:30,570 movement is about is seeking to assert 236 00:11:26,790 --> 00:11:32,640 our dignity our self-determination and 237 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:35,250 to restore our sovereignty because 238 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:38,670 basically we know what works best for 239 00:11:35,250 --> 00:11:40,560 only we can report ourselves but we need 240 00:11:38,670 --> 00:11:42,510 to have the shackles removed and 241 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:45,090 literally these shackles are not only 242 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:48,420 economic their cultural their political 243 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:51,360 their religious in many ways so 244 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:53,820 reparations is very holistic and the end 245 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,850 goal is actually about the restoration 246 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:58,860 of a sovereign palace and nation-state 247 00:11:56,850 --> 00:12:01,170 that can incorporate not only African 248 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:03,300 people on the continent that Africans 249 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:05,040 will have been dispersed in the Diaspora 250 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:06,780 because right now there isn't a 251 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,240 recognition that we have a right to 252 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:11,280 belong to Africa that we are African 253 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,250 people and therefore we have a right to 254 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:17,340 also benefit from her resources as much 255 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:19,710 as we must share in actually helping 256 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:22,620 Africa to overcome the challenges that 257 00:12:19,710 --> 00:12:25,860 she faces and that is why the repair is 258 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:28,830 essentially about us regaining our power 259 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:32,460 regaining our ability to fix ourselves 260 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:34,950 but also we must have the redistribution 261 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:37,140 of wealth and resources we must have 262 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:39,360 everything that we need in order to 263 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:42,720 restore ourselves and to make ourselves 264 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,810 whole again the essential aspect of 265 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:48,720 reparatory justice must result in the 266 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:51,450 transformation of the group that are 267 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,670 seeking to repair themselves and what's 268 00:12:51,450 --> 00:12:56,310 consistently happening is that the 269 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:58,920 dialogue doesn't even allow us to define 270 00:12:56,310 --> 00:13:01,080 for ourselves in the mass media in 271 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,390 particular what we mean by reparations 272 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,580 so there's always this jump to how much 273 00:13:03,390 --> 00:13:08,190 money do you want we've already paid you 274 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:10,470 enough we don't start with money because 275 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:12,570 just throwing us some money in a 276 00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:15,960 neoliberal economic system that 277 00:13:12,570 --> 00:13:17,670 continues to take it out of our hands 278 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,520 it's not what we want we're not so 279 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:23,730 stupid actually what it's going to 280 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,350 entail is losing with many of the other 281 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:27,480 global justice movements that are 282 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:29,940 seeking transformation of the 283 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,670 international economic order and so what 284 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:35,220 we expect especially for those who see 285 00:13:32,670 --> 00:13:37,980 themselves as allies is to amplify the 286 00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:40,770 voices of the movement of resistance 287 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:43,290 well we've analyzed your voice today and 288 00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:45,900 a very powerful one is - it's a lot it's 289 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:48,450 going to be a long march but it starts 290 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:49,080 with the first step and this year's 291 00:13:48,450 --> 00:13:52,320 first 292 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:55,350 is 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday in Windrush 293 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:58,110 square in Brixton esta thanks very much 294 00:13:55,350 --> 00:14:01,080 for joining us on the sport Nick thank 295 00:13:58,110 --> 00:14:09,840 you coming up what on earth is happening 296 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:12,570 in Venezuela find out next welcome back 297 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,270 to Sputnik Gayatri and I campaigned on 298 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:17,520 the streets of Caracas in Hugo Chavez is 299 00:14:15,270 --> 00:14:19,830 last and Victoria's presidential 300 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,590 election we will never forget it we 301 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:24,570 won't indeed since the untimely death of 302 00:14:22,590 --> 00:14:26,520 President Chavez everything seems to 303 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:28,890 have taken a turn for the worse 304 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,290 last week the head of the CIA admitted 305 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:33,300 that the u.s. was interfering in the 306 00:14:31,290 --> 00:14:35,310 Venezuelan elections not through 307 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:37,410 tittle-tattle on the internet but in 308 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:39,780 deadly terrorist violence on the streets 309 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:41,880 of Venezuela this year is new and 310 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:45,000 surprising allies in the liberal media 311 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,620 are equally surprisingly silent but we 312 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,530 will never be silent 313 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:52,950 joining us now is Teresa Tehran director 314 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:55,980 of Venezuela Media Watch Teresa welcome 315 00:14:52,950 --> 00:14:58,800 to the show in one way you don't have 316 00:14:55,980 --> 00:15:02,070 much to watch because there isn't much 317 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,830 media coverage of Venezuela in Britain 318 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:08,550 however on the other hand what there is 319 00:15:04,830 --> 00:15:12,120 is shockingly biased even for people 320 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:14,720 that are used to media bias tell us how 321 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,400 it looks to you from your vantage point 322 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,920 well exactly that's why there is a 323 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,610 Venezuela Media Watch because we need to 324 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:27,030 watch was you know was the mainstream 325 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:31,400 media is doing which is just Lauder 326 00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:34,860 against the Venezuelan nation by 327 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:38,660 dismissing it in everyone every way they 328 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:44,700 can they just repeat the script that the 329 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:47,460 proposition is a playing probably given 330 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:50,580 by themselves because circular word yeah 331 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:57,930 a circular circular action is basically 332 00:15:50,580 --> 00:16:01,530 they they are staging the downfall of 333 00:15:57,930 --> 00:16:02,550 Venezuela in the media and portraying it 334 00:16:01,530 --> 00:16:05,160 to the world 335 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:07,400 while in Venezuela there is a totally 336 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:13,770 different reality there is people 337 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:16,740 happily going to vote celebrating we be 338 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:20,460 a political aware and being very anxious 339 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:23,600 of putting their there the legacy of 340 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:26,310 Chavez in practice no no this is being 341 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,640 fed by the mainstream media 342 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:33,270 it was quite a famous no altercation 343 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,580 that I had at the Oxford Union gotra and 344 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:36,420 I had just literally touched down from 345 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:40,230 Venezuela 346 00:16:36,420 --> 00:16:44,370 after Chavez last election and a young 347 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:46,230 man told the audience from the from the 348 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:51,090 audience push stood up and told everyone 349 00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:53,610 that in the election the opposition 350 00:16:51,090 --> 00:16:58,230 leader capitalist had been entirely kept 351 00:16:53,610 --> 00:17:00,360 off television when in fact we had never 352 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:02,190 stopped looking at Capri less on 353 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,620 television until he turned it off 354 00:17:02,190 --> 00:17:07,290 well arrow we had to turn off it was 355 00:17:04,620 --> 00:17:09,780 wall-to-wall Capri lays on the 356 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:13,890 television nineteen commercial 357 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:18,330 television stations endlessly churning 358 00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:21,440 out opposition propaganda and in that 359 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:26,370 exchange with that young man I realized 360 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:31,940 how almost Orwellian the reversal of 361 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:34,850 truth can be and there's nowhere better 362 00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:38,340 illustrates that than the coverage of 363 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:42,860 Venezuela tell us what are the main 364 00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:47,370 issues in the election this weekend the 365 00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:50,490 opposition is threatening ones of and 366 00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:55,590 for all finished the revolutionary 367 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:58,680 process and they are they've been 368 00:17:55,590 --> 00:18:03,030 calling for an invasion by the US very 369 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:04,580 openly in you know and everywhere we are 370 00:18:03,030 --> 00:18:07,560 very worried there is going to be 371 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:09,960 violence more than then we have had now 372 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:13,080 it's effectively a coup that they are 373 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,890 staging it's a slow-motion riku of the 374 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:19,790 kind brought down the government of 375 00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:24,300 Salvador Allende in Chile in on 9/11 376 00:18:19,790 --> 00:18:28,160 1973 and the United States having spent 377 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:32,130 the last six months accusing Russia of 378 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:35,250 interfering in America's election this 379 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:38,700 week openly admitted that it is 380 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:41,970 interfering in Venezuela's elections the 381 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:45,120 CIA chief said so I saw his lips move 382 00:18:41,970 --> 00:18:46,890 and heard the words come out it's 383 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:49,890 incredible that they don't seem to 384 00:18:46,890 --> 00:18:53,370 understand or realize the contradiction 385 00:18:49,890 --> 00:18:56,400 in that what form is us interference 386 00:18:53,370 --> 00:18:59,010 taking well they have been actually 387 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:02,250 funneling a lot of money to the 388 00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:05,880 opposition like from their 2013 to now 389 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:09,060 is better being around 120 million 390 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:12,200 dollars given to the opposition to pay 391 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:16,230 for you know for everything they provide 392 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:19,650 they take young offender from the 393 00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:23,010 barrios and provide them with everything 394 00:19:19,650 --> 00:19:25,500 that a young person who want and also 395 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:27,560 with a reputation by making them believe 396 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:32,700 that they are heroes and giving them 397 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:33,440 uniform with symbolic symbolic meanings 398 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:37,380 and 399 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,840 creating a whole mythology to entice the 400 00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:43,020 young people to do things that are 401 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,880 actual element know against themselves 402 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:46,680 because they are really criminal things 403 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,740 they are doing they are burning people 404 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,930 alive they are throwing Molotov in the 405 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:57,260 face of a National Guard 406 00:19:51,930 --> 00:20:00,900 they are basically destroying the life 407 00:19:57,260 --> 00:20:02,700 because the opposition needs them to you 408 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:06,590 know to take over the government because 409 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:10,230 they don't have a real structure 410 00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:12,210 political structure ideology or anything 411 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:14,310 in particular they just follow a script 412 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:16,770 from the US they are there in the 413 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:19,320 service of the u.s. entity they have 414 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:21,750 been all alive a parasitical bozo see 415 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:25,020 that you know this day you get a little 416 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:27,900 bit of the resources and some some 417 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:30,300 privileges and then the state so 418 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:31,920 man they keep the country down so it 419 00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:34,620 doesn't develop so it can be exploited 420 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,230 exploited after us and everybody else 421 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:40,020 once and they are destroyed destroying 422 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:42,210 the people Venezuela and young people 423 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:44,070 and then they blame the government that 424 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:47,910 it is the government that is destroying 425 00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:50,640 the juice of Venezuela because it is not 426 00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:55,320 giving them any opportunities of job 427 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:57,150 education and everything when when if 428 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,610 the opposite you know there have been 429 00:20:57,150 --> 00:21:01,740 massive increasing education in 430 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:06,750 Venezuela in socialism started 431 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:09,960 they have been the job now unemployment 432 00:21:06,750 --> 00:21:12,030 is down to 5% day if you believe the 433 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:15,420 Western media almost everyone in 434 00:21:12,030 --> 00:21:20,190 Venezuela is unemployed there is no 435 00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:21,840 trace of reportage of the way in which 436 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:25,490 poor people have been lifted out of 437 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:28,800 poverty young people have been sent to 438 00:21:25,490 --> 00:21:32,300 universities then as well yes IIT 439 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:36,090 Venezuela has the largest student body 440 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:39,900 practically on the planet and as you say 441 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:43,310 minorities when we saw the marches the 442 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:46,650 Chavez supporters indicate were 443 00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:49,010 reasonable black people disabled all the 444 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:53,370 yes all he people that had been 445 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:57,240 liberated by by the chavista movement 446 00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:58,260 how is that movement responding to this 447 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,020 challenge 448 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:06,390 how are the elections going to go we 449 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:12,210 think that what their violence is that 450 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:15,120 they are focus of is about like two 451 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:18,360 percent of the country that the 452 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:22,560 opposition has in hand are causing all 453 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:24,540 this violence and there is a majority of 454 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:29,040 people of Venezuelans and from the 455 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:33,360 humble background patients housewives 456 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,830 all the old people fishermen everybody 457 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,930 who is up to it 458 00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:39,540 because that's now the revenge date 459 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:41,639 because for 44 years is the revolution 460 00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:43,049 started the laws were created 461 00:22:41,639 --> 00:22:44,849 but they haven't been put in place 462 00:22:43,049 --> 00:22:47,609 because their position of being always 463 00:22:44,849 --> 00:22:49,979 topping it and now they can they have 464 00:22:47,609 --> 00:22:55,529 been working really hard to get like the 465 00:22:49,979 --> 00:22:59,519 lands producing and the the web being 466 00:22:55,529 --> 00:23:03,690 killed by by landowners and you know the 467 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:05,820 day they kill them so the opportunity 468 00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:09,119 for them you know to have in their hands 469 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:12,179 all the power they need for all the 470 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:14,940 projects I started 18 years ago to you 471 00:23:12,179 --> 00:23:17,309 know you know get your confidence that 472 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:19,799 they will take take this opportunity 473 00:23:17,309 --> 00:23:22,940 they are taking it they are already 474 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:27,749 involved there were 50,000 people that 475 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:32,279 you know the the one to be a part of it 476 00:23:27,749 --> 00:23:35,099 as as leaders and then there is a well 477 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:38,279 the very best of luck to the people of 478 00:23:35,099 --> 00:23:40,109 Venezuela and keep watching the media 479 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:46,200 and for bias 480 00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:47,999 thank you very much Teresa Karen and now 481 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,190 it's your turn to tell us what you think 482 00:23:47,999 --> 00:23:53,190 through the portals of social media 483 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:55,320 what's rattling Gayatri so if we are to 484 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:58,099 believe the mainstream media Venezuela 485 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,989 is now a country under regional 486 00:23:58,099 --> 00:24:04,200 isolation us song sanctions food 487 00:24:00,989 --> 00:24:07,079 shortages people emigrating physically 488 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,450 country from North Korea yes so Mary 489 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:12,209 simply says unless Russia moves in 490 00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:16,139 Venezuela is in danger from us regime 491 00:24:12,209 --> 00:24:20,070 change and regarding the reparations as 492 00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:22,739 we discussed with Esther just astounding 493 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:25,589 it is like a wall of hatred comes in 494 00:24:22,739 --> 00:24:26,999 it's unbelievable how dare you even and 495 00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:29,879 I just want to illustrate it by reading 496 00:24:26,999 --> 00:24:33,539 one of those tweets and this one coming 497 00:24:29,879 --> 00:24:35,879 from crowd this nonsense is socially 498 00:24:33,539 --> 00:24:38,369 destructive and adds to a growing white 499 00:24:35,879 --> 00:24:40,499 hate problem can my family seek 500 00:24:38,369 --> 00:24:43,649 reparations from Germany for World War 501 00:24:40,499 --> 00:24:46,409 one and - well what did you lose in 502 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:50,549 World War one and - who was responsible 503 00:24:46,409 --> 00:24:53,879 for World War one were your family taken 504 00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:55,020 in Chains in the bottom of a boat across 505 00:24:53,879 --> 00:24:57,680 the seas 506 00:24:55,020 --> 00:25:01,350 to work like a like a beast in the field 507 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:04,080 owned by another human being were you 508 00:25:01,350 --> 00:25:07,410 because if you are you can sue Germany 509 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:12,110 for sure but the truth is you are not 510 00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:16,290 this hatred of this subject is 511 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:18,840 illustrative of how very very far we 512 00:25:16,290 --> 00:25:22,050 still have to go to make people face up 513 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,920 to their own country's history don't get 514 00:25:22,050 --> 00:25:25,110 me started at URI 515 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,030 you've got my blood boiling now me too 516 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:29,430 and that's the time we've got anyway for 517 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:31,500 the tweets today which alas means that's 518 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:33,720 the end of the show but please stay in 519 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:36,480 touch with us on Facebook spudnick on 520 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:39,030 Russia Today or Twitter or Instagram 521 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,160 Aarthi underscore Sputnik goodbye from 522 00:25:39,030 --> 00:25:44,330 me Gayathri and from me George Galloway 523 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,330 it's been marvelous